The BoBo of The Week Award – the weekend edition!
Posted by: The BoBo // Category: America, Ass-whuppin, BoBo Award, Democrats, Iraq, Islamofascists, Israel, Liberals, Nutjob, Peace, Politics, President, Rant, Russia, Terrorists, Troops, Weekend, war on terrorH/T to Greg at 454monte.com for bringing this to my attention. This guy was a contributor to The BoBo Carnival of Politics. Greg did a little more digging around on his blog and found this “wonderful” post.
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Fuck the troops!
Okay – other than 9/11 deniers I really really hate these unpatriotic passivist little twits. The one’s in that group that I detest even more are those bastards that dare to lambast our military members. As a third generation servicemember (now ex-servicemember) and having a step-son currently serving in the Army – these assholes really rub me wrong. So – it is for his post – and I’m sure it will boil the blood of some of my readers – this dickhead gets this week’s BoBo of The Week Award. Even though he wrote this piece in May of this year – the fact I just found it still makes it a candidate for the weekly award.
I’m going to skip past his intro into his rant against the troops – it just contains bullshit about him being a long-haired hippy freak in 1990 when he was protesting the first Gulf war. Funny – I thought the hippies was the 70′s generation? But – that just proves my point – he’s an idiot. He goes in to a diatribe about the use of that oxymoron (and moronic) use of “Oppose the war: Support the Troops” and why they chose then (and continue now) to use it. Sorry, dude – that slogan does not fool any pro-military pro-troop individual or our troops. So – from there – let’s get in to this thing:
It always bothered me, though, this “support the troops” idea. Sure, it was a smart strategic play, but in stark conflict to the rest of what we thought we were doing. We were here to bring the truth to an ignorant, deluded or sleeping public, and the whole truth, nothing but. That truth must have necessarily included the realization that these amorphous “troops” we were enjoined to support were actually individual, thinking, morally responsible men and women. It must have included the knowledge that each and every “troop” currently engaged in mass murder in our names had volunteered. And we knew, as they should have, that the murderous, destructive, obscene organization they volunteered to serve, hadn’t conducted a legitimate “defense of America” since at least WWII, and maybe as far back as the War of 1812, depending on whose Pearl Harbor narrative you believe.
This just proves his ignorance and disdain for both our country and our military as well as the fact that he remains blind to the ills of this world. He blames this country for what is wrong with this world. He doesn’t see that terrorism and islamofascim are the true evil ideologies that have been at play for thousands of years. Even Thomas Jefferson had to deal with those evil bastards who wanted, even then, to destroy our country. Not only have we been in defense of America for the last 200+ years, we have also been in defense of democracy around the world fighting against these assholes who want nothing else but to kill you for not being muslim.
His assertion that WWII was the last time we were defending America proves he didn’t and still doesn’t understand communism and the proliferation thereof of that ideology. We were in Korea and Viet Nam to help defend democracy in those countries that were invaded by their northern communist neighbors. America is an ally to ALL Democracies you idiot. To defend the democracies of other nations is to defend the democracy of the United States. If you allow communism, socialism, and islamofascim to take hold in democratic countries – it is harmful and is a threat to the United States.
They weren’t conscripted, they weren’t shanghaied, they weren’t tricked into signing up and donning the uniform and picking up the gun. They sought out the role, they agreed to follow orders, they signed the papers, and nowhere along the way did they somehow become transformed from individual human beings, morally responsible for their individual acts of violence and destruction into those collectively romanticized “troops”. Some small number said, “I didn’t sign up for this,” and did the only moral thing possible, which was to desert. The rest marched freely onto the planes and ships and deployed, the willing agents of empire. Certainly in many, the thought was there afterward: “We didn’t sign up for that,” but still they went, perhaps finding their own moral cover in the notion they’d been tricked. Likely, most found no moral problem with going at all.
Now – he’s just starting to warm up now. This type of downward look over his nose at the troops and those who proudly serve is just the springboard for what is to come. He somehow things those of us who serve our country proudly were “tricked” in to doing so. He’s another one of those idiots who refer to this great republic an “empire.” You are one twisted piece of shit moron! Not one individual was “tricked” in to serving this country. They took the oath that specifically states they would protect our country and our constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. They knew during basic training when they were being taught hand-to-hand combat with bayonets they would have to fight and kill someone someday to defend this country. They knew when they were learning how to shoot their M-16′s accurately into silhouette targets that someday they would have to fire a live round in to an enemy against our democracy. They knew as they were conducting house-to-house infiltration tactics during basic training they would some day be asked to do the same thing in a foreign land. Those people who you say decided one day to change their mind and say to themselves “I didn’t sign up for this” were cowards. They knew full well what they signed up for. These are people I wouldn’t want sitting in the trenches with me any way because they can’t be trusted.
Since you have never experienced taking the oath, basic training, military weapons training, and self-defense as a part of military COMBAT training – you have no freakin’ idea what they had in their hearts as they turned coward. Plain and simple – they are cowards – not individuals who suddenly had a “moral” epiphany. Sure, that’s what cowards turn to because they know they will be embraced by the likes of pussies like you – but – there was nothing about their decision to become cowards that had anything to do with a sudden moral understanding – it was the fact they became scared shitless. EVERY member of the military is told in basic training that no matter their “job” in any branch of the service whether it be a cook, janitor, supply specialist, motor pool technician, or aviation technician – they may be required to pick up a gun and defend themselves and this country. No matter their job – they are soldiers first. There is NO excuse for those who at the time of enlistment KNEW they were going to be Infantry, Paratrooper, Gunner, Tank, weapons specialist, explosive technician, military police, etc – without a freakin doubt they would be trained to be killers. Those who turned coward have absolutely no excuse and no way to possibly defend the idea they were “tricked.” You’re a moron if you believe them!
Unlike Gulf War I, though, Gulf War II, freshly turned five years old, is an occupation. It is an obviouslyobvious to anyone that a crime had been committed there. A massive, inexcusable, inhuman, monstrous, treasonous crime. immoral war launched on the flimsiest of concocted excuses and conducted with the most sinister of aims. The history of Gulf War I, the suffering inflicted on Iraq by a decade of sanctions, the horror of depleted uranium weapons residues and unexploded landmines and other ordnance from the first attack should have made it
Ummm…what? In the first paragraph you begin to make a case why we shouldn’t be in Iraq – then in the second paragraph you point out all the reasons why we are in Iraq – and – you even call the crimes of humanity committed by Saddam Hussein against his own people as “A massive, inexcusable, inhuman, monstrous, treasonous crime.” We didn’t use any nuclear weapons in Gulf 1 – so – that had to be Saddam’s. We didn’t use landmines in Gulf 1 – so – those must have been Saddam’s as well. The only suffering of the people in Iraq was at the hands of Saddam. While the U.N., Russia, France, Germany, and China continued trading with Iraq – Saddam kept building palaces rather than provide for his people. In fact, it was Saddam who gassed 100′s of thousands of his own people. It was Saddam’s boys who had the “rape squads.” It was Saddam’s Guard forces that tortured Iraqi’s who spoke out against Saddam.
So – like I said – you must have been building a case as to why we are in Iraq – because – everything you stated was not at the hands of the U.S.. There were no sanctions against Iraq! Sure – while the U.N. put it on paper – Saddam and Iraq continued all trading as usual – they just didn’t have access to U.S. markets. Dude, before you start writing stupid shit like this – you should at least get your facts straight.
And yet, most of the military personnel that have served in the current conflict up to the present weren’t in the military for the first. They signed up, willingly. If they didn’t know the history of what the US military actually did for the prior fifty years, flag-waving nonsense and Cold War turned War on Terror hysteria aside, their foolishness should not excuse them. If they learned nothing from the lessons of Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Lebanon or other places that the empire had been sticking its nose and its guns into, well, we should let neither ignorance nor willful blindness be an excuse. Unjust, illegal wars do not just happen by themselves. They are the sum total of millions of individual decisions by millions of individually responsible people to obey, topped by whatever dark cabal is giving the orders for the week.
Okay – I’ll at least concede the point that those on the ground may not have been involved in GW1 – but – the senior NCO’s and Officers involved sure were. It was only 12 years between the end of GW1 to the beginning of GW2. And..yes..they signed up willingly because they UNDERSTAND what is at stake. They don’t walk around this planet with blinders on blaming this country for any personal failures. You my friend have failed in life and did not amount to what you had hoped to be – so – you need to blame someone – you blame America. Once you start blaming America because you are a total waste of human flesh – by extension – it is America’s fault for all this is wrong around the world. Don’t put our troops in the same pathetic category as yourself.
Apparently, you are the one who have not learned the “lessons of Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Lebanon or other places.” Hmm – Korea – communist invasion of N.Korea in to S. Korea; Viet Nam – communist invasion of N.VN in to S.VN; Grenada – Communist Cuba invasion and take over of the democratic government to include execution of their prime minister; Panama – Panama declared war on U.S., Noriega lost the election and refused to step down, Noriega’s goon squad killed a U.S. Navy seaman then raped his wife, Noriega’s goon squad killed killed a U.S. marine, and Panama was involved in trafficking millions of tons of drugs to the U.S. and refused to stop; Lebanon – US troops were just a part of an international peace keeping force – we were not involved in any way with the Lebanese civil war going on. There was no reason for them to target and kill our marines and French peace keeping soldiers. And…those other places? Like Afghanistan? The communist Russia invasion in to that country? Like Kosovo? The communist russian influence over the Serbs and Croat – you mean that one? Or…Somalia – the U.S. acting as peace keeping forces after the attempted genocide?
I don’t know what you’re trying to get at here. In every one of these instances we have come to the aid of our allies at their request. I am so sick and tired of you pansy-assed whiners referring to this country as an empire. I suppose if someone were raping your sister – you wouldn’t help her would you? You’re such a fucking waste you would shit in your pants first – then explain to your sister later how it was her fault that she got raped. We are a very powerful nation. We have the capability and capacity to help those less fortunate nations when they are under attack by larger nations. Would you not help your little brother if there was a big bully pushing him around? No – of course you wouldn’t. You would rather see your little brother get his ass kicked – then explain to him later it would have just been better to give the bully his lunch money.
Further, probably close to half or more of those still in Iraq today signed up after the war’s justifications had evaporated, after the stories of casual murder, collective punishment and institutionalized torture were already splashed on television screens and across newspaper headlines worldwide. They, especially, should have known better.
Where did you get the idea that the war’s justification evaporated? Even the Robert’s commission proved there were WMD prior to the outset of the war. There are aerial surveillance photos of convoys of Russian trucks leaving areas from within Iraq known to contain WMD and nuclear materials to areas in Syria. The fact we didn’t actually find the WMD once we got there is proof that Russia aided Iraq by moving them in to other enemy countries. In fact, we have continuously found evidence of WMD storage facilities as well as mobile manufacturing facilities. Even though we haven’t actually found that cache – the fact of the matter now is that even Al Qaeda has called Iraq the central front of the war on terrorism. Oh – wait – I forgot – the terrorists are just misunderstood. They aren’t really terrorists are they? They’re just freedom fighters. They’re just fighting the imperialist United States – right? Well – fuck you! Tell that to Thomas Jefferson and the countless colonials that were killed then by radical islamofascists. Tell that to all those Jews that were slaughtered at the hands of Hitler during WWII – backed, supported, and assistance provided by radical islamofascists. Tell that to those Olympians killed in Munich in 1972. Tell that to Leon Klinghoffer who was in a wheel chair and throw overboard from the Achille Lauro in 1986. Tell that to Navy Seaman Robert Stetham who’s lifeless body was thrown out the back of TWA flight 847 on the tarmac in Lebanon in 1985. Tell that to all those people killed in England, Spain, Australia, Bali, Germany, the Phillipines, by islamofascist suicide bombers. Sure – this is all about the imperialist U.S. isn’t it you fucknozzle!
Casual murder? Collective punishment? Institutionalized murder? WTF are you even talking about? If you are referring to Abu Ghraib – that was an anomaly and atrocity committed by rogue national guardsmen – not even regular Army. Nothing of the sort has happened since. While Murthafucker and Obama have been pushing to get our troops tried in a civilian court of law for being soldiers – they’ve all been acquitted. Idiots like you will always try to make a case against soldiers doing their jobs. Those rogue soldiers will be put behind bars – but – they are the exception to what our brave soldiers are really about. But, you wouldn’t know anything about that. You have no honor if you’re so willing to throw your fellow countrymen under the bus for doing their job and protecting your sorry ass.
So, I will not support the troops. In fact, fuck the troops! Each and every US serviceperson today who is not deserting, refusing to follow orders or turning their weapons on their commanders is, in fact, a criminal, and one for whom we should feel neither sympathy nor pity, let alone the specious solidarity of “support the troops” when it’s those same “troops” who are carrying out slaughter, destruction and torture in our name.
At the same time, fuck all those who support the troops! If history, recent or ancient, hasn’t been sufficient to educate you on the true nature of war and the true nature of the predatory, inhuman power you seem so eager to serve, then damn you for your stupidity, damn you for your ignorance, damn you for your blindness, damn you for your fallacious morality. And this goes not only for every family member or friend of someone serving in the US military today who is NOT insistently urging their child or husband or wife or friend to desert or disobey, it goes also for every federal employee and for every shareholder and employee from janitor to CEO of the military-industrial-terrorism complex and the companies that comprise it: Blackwater, Halliburton, Boeing, General Dynamics, Allied-Signal, Unisys, Westinghouse, DynCorp, Exxon, Hewlett-Packard, EDS, Computer Sciences Corporation, IBM, Hughes, KBR, Kearfott, Lockheed-Martin, McDonnell Douglas, Mitsubishi, Motorola, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Shell, AT&T, Sikorsky, United Technologies and all the rest. There is blood on your hands, real human blood — lives taken, families shattered, homes destroyed, crops ruined, populations displaced, tortures committed, atrocities sanctioned, all facilitated by your unthinking, odious, ignorant, unconscionable support.
Aaaargghhhh!!! You really are an insane little twit aren’t you? You condone our troops for doing what is honorable and fighting to free the oppressed – but – then you push for them to kill their superiors? WTF kind of pathetic hypocritical little weasel are you? I see, it’s okay to kill someone else in the name of “morality” as long as you personally aren’t the one pulling the trigger – you suck!
You know what – I support the troops. I support their mission. I support everything about our military and why we have one…and…to you…I say fuck you too you asshole. If you really hate this country so bad – do us all a favor – get the fuck out. We don’t need pussies like you. I can see you now – islamofascist asshole standing over you with a machete getting ready to cut your damned head off – you’re given a choice – convert to Islam or die – rather than stand up for what you believe – you would convert just to save your ass. Well – you don’t have to worry about that – Our troops make sure of it – Asshole!
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October 4th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
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October 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Thanks for the lulz. I’ll be sure to tell my sister you expressed such concern for her well-being.
Mike Gogulskis last blog post..Imagine my shock… and awe!
Reply to Mike Gogulski
October 4th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
The pleasure was ALL mine Mike! Glad to oblige ya.
Reply to The BoBo
October 4th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
As a contractor of one of those firms you mentioned above Mikey…my deepest thanks for paying your taxes ..I’m laughing all the way to the bank…
Gregs last blog post..Pictures from home.
Reply to Greg
October 4th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
There were WMD’s in Iraq that everyone knew about. (Other than the material that made it’s way to Syria) That is what made Saddam’s threats so real.
Reply to infantryjj
October 5th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Infantry – but – you can’t prove it to those die-hard anti-war people. We’re still the evil empire and we made it all up just to expand our so-called empire and oppress those people by instituting democracy and freedom!
Reply to The BoBo
October 5th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
“As a third generation servicemember (now ex-servicemember) and having a step-son currently serving in the Army – these assholes really rub me wrong.”
It seems you are beginning with an emotional response. That and the ad hominem attacks hardly further a decent discussion. You may have your disagreements, but can we at least have a calm, reasonable discussion?
“it just contains bullshit about him being a long-haired hippy freak in 1990 when he was protesting the first Gulf war. Funny – I thought the hippies was the 70’s generation? But – that just proves my point – he’s an idiot. He goes in to a diatribe about the use of that oxymoron (and moronic) use of “Oppose the war: Support the Troops” and why they chose then (and continue now) to use it. Sorry, dude – that slogan does not fool any pro-military pro-troop individual or our troops.”
Hippies are not exclusive to the 70′s. It hardly proves any point about being an idiot. In fact, the 60′s are acknowledged as the hippies decade. By the 70′s they were in decline. And you confuse generation and decade. Decades are 10 years; generations, while rough estimates, are acknowledged as approximately 30 years. And as far as oppose the war: support the troops slogan, Mike disagreed with the slogan, but said he understood the strategic value. So your attacks of him continue to be moot.
“He blames this country for what is wrong with this world. He doesn’t see that terrorism and islamofascim are the true evil ideologies that have been at play for thousands of years. Even Thomas Jefferson had to deal with those evil bastards who wanted, even then, to destroy our country. Not only have we been in defense of America for the last 200+ years, we have also been in defense of democracy around the world fighting against these assholes who want nothing else but to kill you for not being muslim.”
I believe he blames the government, all governments, for the ills of this world. And more broadly than that, he blames initiative violence.Thomas Jefferson feared our own government more than foreign governments. And the Tripoly Wars you speak of were short and to the point and in response them raising the tribute we paid to them past Congress’ allocated amount. We were not occupying their countries to change their regimes.We do not have a democracy. We have a republic. The idea of us having a democracy arose with the populists such as Woodrow Wilson. And democracy does not equal good. In fact, I would say democracy is a horrible system of government that allows the majority to persecute the minority. Many founding fathers agree that republics are a much safer form of government(though I still oppose government).
“America is an ally to ALL Democracies you idiot.”
If we were a democracy. Anyway, the reason many places hate us is not because of our freedoms, but because of our continued intervention in their policies. And if the Soviets had invaded the U.S. we’d be justified in hating them. Terrorism enlistment rose after Iraq because of our intervention. If you listen to Osama and other terrorists, you will learn that they are mad that we have been in their business since we removed Iran’s Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq in Operation Ajax in the 1950′s. Britain intervened since before then.
“We didn’t use any nuclear weapons in Gulf 1 – so – that had to be Saddam’s.”
It is acknowledged that Saddam didn’t have nuclear capacities upon our invasion. And the depleted uranium he was talking about came from our weapons. This caused an increase in leukemia among children not seen since Hiroshima.I do not support Saddam, but at the same time it was none of our business to invade him. It only sparked more anti-american anger.
“You my friend have failed in life and did not amount to what you had hoped to be – so – you need to blame someone – you blame America. Once you start blaming America because you are a total waste of human flesh – by extension – it is America’s fault for all this is wrong around the world. Don’t put our troops in the same pathetic category as yourself.”
What caused that? You know nothing of Mike’s life and you are merely throwing insults based on ignorance again. Please stop.
“I suppose if someone were raping your sister – you wouldn’t help her would you? You’re such a fucking waste you would shit in your pants first – then explain to your sister later how it was her fault that she got raped. We are a very powerful nation. We have the capability and capacity to help those less fortunate nations when they are under attack by larger nations. Would you not help your little brother if there was a big bully pushing him around? No – of course you wouldn’t. You would rather see your little brother get his ass kicked – then explain to him later it would have just been better to give the bully his lunch money.”
We(market anarchists) never said we were against defending ourselves. We are against initiating violence. We would defend our sister or seek proper retribution. However, we have not been attacked. And those marines you mention were in foreign lands. They shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Just because we can, doesn’t mean we should help other nations. Because by helping those other nations you are forcing your decision on the rest of us through violence(taxation).
You really should stop erecting straw man arguments and try to learn our beliefs before you attack them. I’m sure we can have a lovely discussion then.
“Tell that to Thomas Jefferson and the countless colonials that were killed then by radical islamofascists.”
I believe Thomas Jefferson died in his sleep. And the countless colonials refers to whom? The colonies of Britain. I don’t believe any(and if so very few) died from radical muslims. If you mean the colonials that have crossed the globe invading and intervening in other countries, then their deaths were surely assured. If a muslim came here and wouldn’t leave your private property, I’m sure you’d be justified in his death if peaceful options were not working.
I believe your problem is you began with a conclusion and set out to defend it. Perhaps calming down, learning your opponent’s beliefs, and having an open mind will lead to a more fruitful discussion next time.
Reply to Ethan Lee Vita
October 5th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
My apologies. Page breaks didn’t work on the comment.
Reply to Ethan Lee Vita
October 5th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Fixed it for ya Ethan – I think I got the breaks where you wanted them.
And, yes – it does indeed come from an emotional perspective because I take offense not only to the title – but also to the whole discussion. I know we are a republic – but – we also have a democratic process within our government – and – we do support other democracies around the world.
I don’t need to know you or Mike personally when it’s all laid out on the line like that to know that I totally disagree with anything your ideology stands for – especially when you start degrading our troops that way. Our military members are some of the smartest individuals in the world using some of the most advanced technology on this planet. To insinuate they are stupid and can be tricked in to enlisting is a total insult.
Rather than go in to it all again – I have a post up that explains my feelings quite clearly: Support our Troops! BRING THEM HOME!
Reply to The BoBo
October 6th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Bring them home, yeah. AFTER we win.Sleep tight America.For rough men stand readyTo do violence on your behalf.
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October 6th, 2008 at 8:47 am
This bastard needs to gargle with buckshot.
Reply to cmblake6
October 6th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
When you take something emotionally it does nothing to convince anyone of your argument, but further separates them. Even if you do not tend to convince(because convincing someone is not as easy as people think), you can lose a lot of respect from emotional attacks on other people. Finally, emotional attacks prove nothing.Our democratic process is a republic one. Voting does not equal democracy. I hardly believe we support democracies. Read up on Operation Ajax. We removed a highly popular leader of Iran’s people in the 1950′s.Ability to operate technological equipment does not mean you are intelligent. It means you are intelligent with regard to operating that technological equipment(not even all technological equipment). There are numerous types of intelligence. So your point about ability to operate technological equipment does not prove that they can or cannot resist government propaganda.
Reply to Ethan Lee Vita
October 6th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Ethan – I won’t even get in to everything else – but – your last statement:
I just need to comment on that – it is quite apparent you feel that anything pro-America or pro-military is just propaganda and that anyone who joins the military is just plain ignorant and can’t think for themselves. I really don’t get that point of view at all. Too me, your ideology is all based on conspiracy theory – that – all governments are just out to use the people for its own gain and that no government can be trusted. IMHO – serving this great country through military service is a great and satisfying honor. It has nothing to do with “propaganda.” It has everything to do with love of this country and everything great past, present, and future this country represents.
I get the fact we are a republic – that’s the second time you’ve brought that up. However, our elections are a democratic process. We the people ARE in control of our government. The problem is – too many people keep voting the same idiots back in to power over them. I am a constitutionalist and firmly believe the power is with the people. But, too many of the people have given their power over to the government and have fallen asleep.
The military is not a tool of the government – it is a tool of the people. When the people, collectively, are in danger – the military defends them. Whether you realize it or not, we are at war with radical islamofascists around the globe. They wouldn’t give a rat’s ass if you tell them you hate your government too – that’s not what they are about. They want a caliphate in which the world is governed by one religion – theirs. The problem is, you are falling for THEIR propaganda when they say they are at war with us because of our interference in their region of the world. They know that if enough people like yourself believe those lies they can get the people to cripple the country from the inside. Divide and conquer.
I studied the middle east as a linguist in the Air Force. I know their religion and I know it is not based on peace. While modern muslims, like modern-day christians, use the words of the book for day-to-day guidance – there are those who interpret the Koran literally. The Koran calls for a Jihad against all infidels – those who don’t believe in Muhamed and that Islam is the only true religion of the world. They believe that lies are okay as long as it furthers their goals of Jihad. You have bought in to those lies – and by extension – blame America as being imperialistic.
They don’t see America as being imperialistic. They see America as a barrier to achieving their caliphate and use language to whip up anarchy from within. They are patient and will wait as long as it takes. They use all means available to them to further their goals – including using our own laws, the courts, and any bleeding heart liberal that will take up their cause.
Reply to The BoBo
October 7th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Yet again you skip over other points. Why is this?Please define pro-america. Do you mean pro-american government? Please read http://www.nostate.com/240/unabashed-anti-americanism/ for more on defining what you mean by america.As far as conspiracy theory attack, you should realize that conspiracy theories are not always false, or always true. You should judge it based on its contents, not whether or not it is a conspiracy theory. And the problem with government, is that the people in it have incentives to act against what is best for us. This causes the government as a whole to act contrary to what is ethical and efficient. For more on this :http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/anarchists-are-conspiracy-theorists/If the military was merely a defensive force that protected our private property and was not funded by taxes, then I’d support them. But it is a force that occupies over 700 global bases that we know about(there are likely many secret bases) and initiates violence against many diverse peoples. Furthermore, it is funded by theft(what you call taxation).Assuming we do control our government, the people being in charge of government is just as evil as one or a few people. They still oppress others. Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny. We have a republic to lessen that tyranny. However, the grand experiment of libertarian minarchy that the founding fathers created has failed. Small governments grow to large governments. That and the people don’t control the government. Just look at the bail out bill. There were massive phone calls and yet another bill is already back, but with another 150 billion of money going to various congressional districts. Money is a crucial element in elections and no candidate can run without it. It isn’t votes that matter, it is dollars. It is a protection racket, plain and simple.If the military is a tool of the people, can I call them to ask them to withdraw from their bases and return my money? That and you bring up collectivism. If you are claiming the military is a common resource administered by the government, then I’d suggest you read up on the Tragedy of the Commons.The danger we face is an increasingly powerful military that can subjugate its own subjects. We have brought this war on ourselves. I’d suggest you read about blowback. It doesn’t make the terrorists acts of violence right, but it does explain them. And that caliphate business is not the reason most join the terrorists. It is because they see themselves as under the oppression of our military, with our constant interventions in their affairs. It is the reason terrorist enlistment spiked after Hussein was removed. Iraq was quite a secular country in comparison to its neighbors beforehand.Please stop confusing country and government. They are different terms. And I will assume you meant government, please correct me if you truly meant country. I’d be happy for a crippling of government, it would allow us to defend ourselves without oppression from above. The common Iraqis and Afghanistans have no quarrel with the american people. Each of our three peoples consist of individuals and individuals should act according to their belief, not the collective belief of the whole people. Look up the problems of collectivism.Every religion has various tenets. The Bible and Koran can both by used for good or evil. In fact, I would say religion is a giant megaphone for good or evil. I never bought any muslim lies. I avoid religious discussions(unless I see them acting immorally). My belief of America being imperialistic comes from seeing 700 global bases.Oh, and I’m not a liberal.
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October 10th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
This is quite possibly one of the more humorous defenses I’ve heard for the Zionist-Imperialist “troops.” First, even they {the soldiers} are beginning to realize that they’re fighting a lost cause. Though I eagerly anticipate their imminent demise, it’s rather laughable to hear them speak about the “virtue” and “valor” of what they’re doing in Iraq (disabling independent nation states at the behest of American-Israeli capital). But American military propaganda can only extend so far – for now we’re witnessing the slow but gradual decrease in troop morale. Suicide rates are up! In fact, the rate per 100,000 people for suicide attempts in the military have surpassed that same figure for the American civilian population. They’re demoralized because even they can’t be convinced of what they’re doing. Oh, and for the record I’m not anti-war. I’m very much for this war, now that’s its already in place. I’m just against the occupying troops, and proudly praise the valient efforts of the Iraqi and Afghani resistance fighters.
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January 28th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
I guess I’ve been going about this all wrong. You see, I’ve been reading things from Adam Smith and Frederic Bastiat, which is probably why I can’t understand the left’s “logic”. I should be reading Marx and Trotsky instead.
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